On 10 Aug 2002 at 19:37, rhinoceros wrote:
>
> > [Hermit]
> > Whatever happened to International Law and the right to be treated
> > as innocent until found guilty. <snip>
> >
> > [Joe Dees]
> > I make it abundantly (and redundantly) clear that only fools would
> > commit suicide by allowing these extremist fanatical zealot outlaw
> > rogues to murder them unmolested. For any legitimate soldier, an
> > armed person inside a battle zone is ipso facto a combatant; all one
> > then needs to ascertain is on which side. Al Quaeda terrorists and
> > others of their <snip>
> >
> > [rhinoceros]
> > Let me state it in layman terms. Who says that these people who are
> > now held in the Guantanamo "base" have ever been in Afghanistan? The
> > newspapers? Colonel Whatshisname? Did we need thousand years of
> > civilization to have that?
> >
>
> [Joe Dees]
> Oh, Puh-LEEEZE! Most of them were captured in Afghanistan by our own
> forces. Of those captured in Afghanistan, a few are Taliban (and thus
> mostly Pashtun, with a couple of Uzbeks tossed in), and the rest are
> Al Quaeda (these are mostly Saudi, with Egyptian being the second most
> common, and Yemenis the third). And some few were Al Quaeda terror
> cell members captured in other countries and turned over to us by
> those countries. We do not transfer rank and file to these camps;
> only the real hardline dead-enders, and those whom we have reason to
> believe are higher-ups (such as Abu Zubaydev) are sent to Gitmo. We
> have captured many Al Quaeda files, complete with names and pictures,
> can check fingerprints against national databases, and check prisoner
> ID's and do investigations of their personal histories.
>
>
> [rhinoceros]
> Waitaminute. Do you suggest that courts of law are superfluous and
> executive investigators are all we need?
>
These outlaw rogues are not entitled to the protections afforded by the
land they are divinely sworn to destroy, because of their status (see
below). All we need to do with them is find out if they can lead us to
more of their murderous kind, and not let them go to resume their
jihadic occupation. These folks are going to either be executed or
spend long terms (and probably the rest of their natural lives) in prison,
which is good for civil US citizenry, for most of them have taken a holy
oath to spend the rest of their lives endeavoring to kill as many of us as
possible, and even affirmed that pledge from inside the Gitmo camps.
>
> Also, now that they have these people in custody, why don't the want
> to take them to court?
>
These people have been rightly classified as neither POW (for they
were fighting on behalf of no recognized government - the Taliban itself
was not UN recognized as the government of Afghanistan, and only
three countries DID recognize them - the Saudis, the Pakis and the
UAE, and they all withdrew their recognition) nor entitled to the rights
conferred by US citizenship (since that was not the country of their
origin, except in a couple of cases where court trials are to be held,
barring plea agreements), but as non-state terrorists, which they most
indubitably are. Plus, a scad of court cases would result in both intel
communications between these thugs and their as-yet-unapprehended
compatriots as to perceived weaknesses to be exploited in anything
they can view, and offer those same unapprehended terrorists a
plethora of ready-made propaganda terror targets. They wanted to be
terrorists - well, fine; they are thus not entitled to the protections of the
Geneva Convention (although most of them have been supplied), and
are subject not to civilian court, but to military tribunal.
>
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