On 11 Aug 2002 at 21:25, Mermaid . wrote:
> Yea...those guys! always a hoot...If they werent so serious and
> hateful all the time, it would be even more hilarious.
>
> Interestingly..the web churned out an old article from www.antiwar.com
>
> It mentions all three of them. In the same article even!
>
> http://www.antiwar.com/justin/j111401.html
>
Well, if Daniel Pipes caanot prove that CAIR, as an organization,
desires the subjugation of the US to Islam and Shari'a, he can certainly
prove that some members of Cair do. Article below.
CAIR: 'Moderate' friends of
terror
by Daniel Pipes
New York Post
April 22, 2002
The Washington-based Council on American-Islamic Relations
presents itself as just another civil-rights group. "We are similar to
a Muslim NAACP," says spokesman Ibrahim Hooper. Its public
language - about promoting "interest and understanding among
the general public with regards to Islam and Muslims in North
America" - certainly boosts an image of moderation.
That reputation has permitted CAIR to prosper since its founding
in 1994, garnering sizeable donations, invitations to the White
House, respectful media citations and a serious hearing by
corporations.
In reality, CAIR is something quite different. For starters, it's on
the wrong side in the war on terrorism. One indication came in
October 1998, when the group demanded the removal of a Los
Angeles billboard describing Osama bin Laden as "the sworn
enemy," finding this depiction "offensive to Muslims."
The same year, CAIR denied bin Laden's responsibility for the
twin East African embassy bombings. As Hooper saw it, those
explosions resulted from some vague "misunderstandings of both
sides." (A New York court, however, blamed bin Laden's side
alone for the embassy blasts.)
In 2001, CAIR denied his culpability for the Sept. 11 massacre,
saying only that "if [note the "if"] Osama bin Laden was behind it,
we condemn him by name." (Only in December was CAIR finally
embarrassed into acknowledging his role.)
CAIR consistently defends other militant Islamic terrorists too.
The conviction of the perpetrators of the 1993 World Trade
Center bombing it deemed "a travesty of justice." The conviction
of Omar Abdel Rahman, the blind sheikh who planned to blow up
New York City landmarks, it called a "hate crime." The
extradition order for suspected Hamas terrorist Mousa Abu
Marook it labeled "anti-Islamic" and "anti-American."
Not surprisingly, CAIR also backs those who finance terrorism.
When President Bush closed the Holy Land Foundation in
December for collecting money he said was "used to support the
Hamas terror organization," CAIR decried his action as "unjust"
and "disturbing."
CAIR even includes at least one person associated with terrorism
in its own ranks. On Feb. 2, 1995, U.S. Attorney Mary Jo White
named Siraj Wahhaj as one of the "unindicted persons who may
be alleged as co-conspirators" in the attempt to blow up New
York City monuments. Yet CAIR deems him "one of the most
respected Muslim leaders in America" and includes him on its
advisory board.
For these and other reasons, the FBI's former chief of
counterterrorism, Steven Pomerantz, concludes that "CAIR, its
leaders and its activities effectively give aid to international
terrorist groups."
Nor is terrorism the only disturbing aspect of CAIR's record.
Other problems include:
Intimidating moderate Muslims. In at least two cases (Hisham
Kabbani and Khalid Durán), CAIR has defamed moderate
Muslims who reject its extremist agenda, leading to death threats
against them.
Embracing murderers. CAIR responded to the arrest and
conviction of Jamil Al-Amin (the former H. Rap Brown) by
praising him, raising funds for him and then denying his guilt after
his conviction for the murder of an Atlanta policeman. Likewise
with Ahmad Adnan Chaudhry of San Bernardino, Calif.:
Disregarding his conviction for attempting murder, CAIR
declared him "innocent" and set up a defense fund for him.
Promoting anti-Semitism. The head of CAIR's Los Angeles office,
Hussam Ayloush, routinely uses the term "zionazi" when referring
to Israelis. CAIR co-hosted an event in May 1998 at which an
Egyptian militant Islamic leader, Wagdi Ghunaym, called Jews
the "descendants of the apes."
Aggressive ambitions. As reported by the San Ramon Valley
Herald, CAIR Chairman Omar M. Ahmad told a crowd of
California Muslims in July 1998, "Islam isn't in America to be
equal to any other faith, but to become dominant. The Koran . . .
should be the highest authority in America, and Islam the only
accepted religion on earth."
CAIR's real record is one of extremism. North American Muslims
themselves are beginning to discover - and the government,
leading media, churches, and businesses should follow - that
CAIR represents not the noble civilization of Islam but an
aggressive and radical strain similar to that which led to the
suicide hijackings last September. CAIR must be shunned as a
fringe group by responsible institutions and individuals
throughout North America.
>
> P.S. Daniel Pipes is not a conservative. The term for the likes of him
> is Neo-Con. Neo conservative.
>
> Just showing you another perspective re where some would like to shove
> the bookmarks, joe. Carry on.
>
>
> From: joedees@bellsouth.net
> Reply-To: virus@lucifer.com
> To: virus@lucifer.com
> Subject: virus: Another Good Site to Bookmark
> Date: Sun, 11 Aug 2002 23:05:41 -0500
>
> In addition to Daniel Pipes' website at:
>
> http://www.danielpipes.org/
>
> and Andrew Sullivan's website at:
>
> http://www.andrewsullivan.com/
>
> the Christopher Hitchens site at:
>
> http://www.enteract.com/~peterk/
>
> is a fine and useful one. Those who dismiss Andrew Sullivan and
> Daniel Pipes as conservatives have a hard time with Christopher
> Hitchens, a principled liberal who sees danger to the freedoms and
> human rights of all emanating from the current expansion of the
> fascist fundamentalist patriarchal monotheistic cult of radical Islam.
>
>
> http://www.enteract.com/~peterk/
>
>
>
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