[Casey] Palestinians strike at the heart of Israel with terrorist attacks using suicide bombers and armed militants. Which prompts army incursions, arrests, and airstrikes by the Israeli government in response. Loop it and repeat.
[Hermit] I observe that Israel has been illegally occupying and oppressing the Palestine for 30 years, and has victimized, pauperized and have ejected the Palestinians that once lived in territory seized by Israel. The economics make it transparently clear. 45% of Palestinians earn less than the UN poverty datum - $2 per day, or less than $ 730 per year - while average Israeli income at $17'000, is only $1'000 a year less than the average UK income.
[Hermit] Drawing on parallels, blacks in South Africa had more rights under apartheid (and certainly were never attacked by South African military units) than a Palestinian in his home country, currently occupied by Israel. The rest of the world, including the US and UK, supported the ANC (as no doubt did some of the "social liberals" in our midst), despite the ANC's highly overrated use of terror. Yet this is not acceptable for the Palestinians. Instead, the oppressor, Israel receives support. Why should this be? While I loath all terrorism, something seems to be unbalanced here.
[Hermit] Casey left out these very important facts, necessary to comprehending what is happening. The state of Israel, supported by the US and UK, oppresses the Palestinian and the Palestinian left with no legal, political, military or social options, responds with terrorist attacks - to which the state of Israel responds with more oppression. Countries supporting Israel get drawn into the fray. Why is this not obvious? What is sauce for the goose is surely sauce for the Gander.
[Hermit] It does not just depend on the Israelis. So long as people around the World can assert that Palestinians have no rights and are not people*, the disaster will continue.
*Seems like it, as our self identified, nationalist "social liberals" assert that Palestenians cannot be massacred...
I posted this because I saw some common ground between a few people on the list. Then I go away for a couple of days, and what happens? You all get your panties in a bunch. All of you!
When are you going to realize that past injustices are RARELY subject to justice? When are the two parties involved---the Israelis and the Palestinians---going to shed their hatred for each other and move forward, rather than continue to shout out about this injustice or that injustice?
The more I think about it, the more I've come to realize that this issue is not going to go away.
The US will not discipline Israel. It hasn't done so with the ability that it can, and never will. As a result of this the Palestinians will see fit to continue to bomb, shoot, whatever, in order to continue the resistance against their oppressors. And, of course, the Israelis will continue to retaliate for each attack on it's people. The EU doesn't have enough of the political, economic, or military guts to alter the course of events since it's not a centralized body, but rather a group of nations bound to together by treaty. I'm at the point where I am ready to say screw the US, the EU, the Israelis, and the Palestinians.
Since we are on the precipice as it is, then let it all go to hell!
Watch as one day the Palestinians are provoked to attack once again, only this time with incredible force and death. The Israelis will drop a tactical nuke somewhere to up the ante. The US and EU will decry both actions as horrendous and not justified. But, what's going to happen? Who knows? But, I reckon it will be nothing.
Right now, I'm ready to let the Middle East and it's inhabitants fall victim to the pit of vipers they have been battling over. Let them all get poisened by the sharp fangs of injustice. And watch as they squirm in painful agony as the poison reaches their hearts, their bodies suffering seizures as they slowly die in front of everyone's eyes.
Oh, and if it spills over from the Middle East to other parts of the world, well...
let's just hope our grandchildren and great grandchildren, living in caves as a result of the nuclear holocaust, can remember why they live there in the first place.
Good day to you all,
---- This message was posted by Casey to the Virus 2002 board on Church of Virus BBS. <http://virus.lucifer.com/bbs/index.php?board=51;action=display;threadid=25915>
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